Pondering CAPD
Dec. 12th, 2011 01:56 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I'm going to ponder this out on here because there *are* a few people listening, and I figure what-the-hey.
So, over the past week, I've been paying a lot of attention to my hearing problems, what I now know is CAPD. For the most part, my experiences seem to resemble someone that has experienced a mild to moderate hearing loss, depending on the environment. As speech slows down and background noise diminishes, my hearing improves. But as speech speeds up, background noise increases, my attention wavers... I start to lose comprehension.
In practical terms, what this means most of the time is that I have to ask people to repeat themselves somewhat often relative to an ordinary hearing person. Every now and then, I'll get into a situation where I simply can't understand someone, like today at lunch, the waitress was pretty much unintelligible to me.
One important difference I've noticed between myself and ordinary hearing people is that most hearing people don't seem to have to work too hard to hear things. They can just passively sit there and listen, and it all comes to them. For me, real listening is something that takes a considerable amount of work. I'm constantly running back and forth over the sounds a person is making, trying to figure out what they all mean, using contextual clues, expressions, and other methods to fill in the blanks and actually "hear" them. I *can* sit back and listen passively, but I don't actually hear all that much. Only a few things here and there hit me, more in a quieter environment.
On the bright side, so much of the English language is redundant material, I can miss quite a bit and still understand the meaning of what someone is saying. For example, this morning at lunch, I only heard the waitress say the word "drink," but that's enough to understand that she was asking me what I wanted to drink. From that, I could guess that much of the other words she was saying were things like "coffee," "orange juice" etc. I don't need to *actually* hear her to know what she's saying. Just enough to guess.
I seem to have my problems in the following areas:
Again... I'm not deaf, and I'm not technically hard of hearing. I have a central auditory processing disorder, which means that my brain doesn't handle incoming sound as effectively as a neurotypical person. However, the term "hard of hearing" seems to be a fairly accurate description for a person like myself that experiences intermittent and inconsistent hearing problems.
Based on how bad my problems can get and using category descriptions from here, I generally fit within the category of "mild bilateral hearing loss" in terms of personal experiences. However, at times, in certain circumstances, my behavior can vary in either direction. Some situations, I hear and comprehend perfectly as if I had no problem at all. Other times, I could be described as having what would be called "moderate hearing loss."
In any case, the sensorineural and conductive hearing in my ear actually tests a little above average, so my hearing seems just fine. It's what I do with that audio once it gets past my ears and heads into the brian that I have problems.
It's hard to clearly indicate how bad my problems can get, since these levels are for people with sensorineural/conductive hearing loss. For someone like myself, it's a lot harder to categorize me. However, I think that I spend most of my life in the "mild" category. I think that explains why I haven't had much impact from this in my life in terms of school and work. For whatever reason, the particular characteristics of my CAPD seems to have resulted in stunted social development. I was fine academically and career-wise. I've just struggled more socially than most other folks.
I'm taking steps to untrain myself out of my habit of playing "the guessing game" with people. Although it's nice to make other people feel better by pretending to have heard them, I've decided that it is better to *actually* understand people, and as a result, ask people to repeat themselves more often. Some people appreciate it. Others find it annoying. But it is helping increase my comprehension, in any case. :)
I think the reason this whole thing has had me so freaked out and anxious is the fact that it is so important to me... I've been trying to explain my social difficulties for years. I've tried a variety of explanations, ranging from the esoteric ("I'm a special child of god/angel/whatever") to the psychological ("I probably have asperger's syndrome") to whatever. With the discovery of confirmed CAPD, I feel that I've finally found the *real* answer to the question of why I have what social problems I have.
Of course, by the same token, it's a bit weird and freaky to discover that I've been living with a mild hearing problem my whole life. All these words suddenly apply to me: I'm "hard of hearing" by some people's standards. I have a legally recognized "hearing disability." I am "hearing impaired." I have legal protections under the ADA. It's all like... Woah.
I think, after processing a lot of all of this, I feel a lot more comfortable with this new understanding of myself. I also had to have a little cry as I realized that I really couldn't hear/understand people in some situations. It was today at lunch when I couldn't understand the waitress. It was then that I realized just how little I understand sometimes, and I had to cry for what I experienced as a "loss," even though I've had these sorts of problems all my life.
So, over the past week, I've been paying a lot of attention to my hearing problems, what I now know is CAPD. For the most part, my experiences seem to resemble someone that has experienced a mild to moderate hearing loss, depending on the environment. As speech slows down and background noise diminishes, my hearing improves. But as speech speeds up, background noise increases, my attention wavers... I start to lose comprehension.
In practical terms, what this means most of the time is that I have to ask people to repeat themselves somewhat often relative to an ordinary hearing person. Every now and then, I'll get into a situation where I simply can't understand someone, like today at lunch, the waitress was pretty much unintelligible to me.
One important difference I've noticed between myself and ordinary hearing people is that most hearing people don't seem to have to work too hard to hear things. They can just passively sit there and listen, and it all comes to them. For me, real listening is something that takes a considerable amount of work. I'm constantly running back and forth over the sounds a person is making, trying to figure out what they all mean, using contextual clues, expressions, and other methods to fill in the blanks and actually "hear" them. I *can* sit back and listen passively, but I don't actually hear all that much. Only a few things here and there hit me, more in a quieter environment.
On the bright side, so much of the English language is redundant material, I can miss quite a bit and still understand the meaning of what someone is saying. For example, this morning at lunch, I only heard the waitress say the word "drink," but that's enough to understand that she was asking me what I wanted to drink. From that, I could guess that much of the other words she was saying were things like "coffee," "orange juice" etc. I don't need to *actually* hear her to know what she's saying. Just enough to guess.
I seem to have my problems in the following areas:
- Background noise seems to give me a great deal of trouble, although the type, volume, and frequency of it can be a major factor. Light conversation at a restaurant could actually be much harder for me to deal with than a loud raucous party in the same room as me. Usually, that wouldn't be the case, but depending on the acoustics and other factors, it actually can happen.
- Since listening tends to be an active exercise for me, if I'm not already paying attention to someone, if someone starts talking to me, chances are I'm going to miss that they're trying to talk to me.
- On that note, if I get at all distracted during a conversation... if my attention wavers from being on the person speaking, I'm going to lose comprehension.
- If someone is talking about lots of specific, detailed, or technical information such as rules for a game or software engineering principles, I need extra time to visualize what they're saying in my head. Often times, I need something visual to look at to be able to actually remember and parse what someone is saying.
- Fast speech, such as when someone is excited, tends to mess me up and require me to ask for repetition.
- Similarly, mumbled speech or speech with an unfamiliar accent both tend to mess me up.
- Once again, since listening is an active task for me, it can be quite exhausting and require a lot of energy. When I'm tired, I'm less able and willing to put forth that kind of energy, and my comprehension starts to drop.
- Group conversation is hard for me because I need to constantly shift my attention to whoever is speaking. If I don't catch the person fast enough, I'm going to miss the first few words of what they said. I've noticed that my head tends to dart around searching for who's going to speak next.
- If who is in the group changes, or the conversation splits off into multiple groups, or anything else happens to the conversation, I can get pretty lost. I was at a party the other weekend where I was sitting in the room having absolutely no idea what anyone was saying.
- If multiple people talk at once, I miss a lot. Tests and experience has shown that I actually can handle this if I try hard, but it takes a TON of effort, and I generally just don't wanna.
- Quiet speech is harder for me, because it doesn't raise off of the background noise floor as much. The louder speech is relative to the background noise, the better I understand it.
- Telephones give me trouble, but mostly when talking to someone unfamiliar about an unfamiliar topic.
- Topic changes are hard for me, because I have to build a new context table from which to draw ideas for filling in the gaps in my comprehension of what people are saying.
- My left side is worse off than my right, by 12 percentage points. People on my left side tend to be harder to understand than those on my right.
Again... I'm not deaf, and I'm not technically hard of hearing. I have a central auditory processing disorder, which means that my brain doesn't handle incoming sound as effectively as a neurotypical person. However, the term "hard of hearing" seems to be a fairly accurate description for a person like myself that experiences intermittent and inconsistent hearing problems.
Based on how bad my problems can get and using category descriptions from here, I generally fit within the category of "mild bilateral hearing loss" in terms of personal experiences. However, at times, in certain circumstances, my behavior can vary in either direction. Some situations, I hear and comprehend perfectly as if I had no problem at all. Other times, I could be described as having what would be called "moderate hearing loss."
In any case, the sensorineural and conductive hearing in my ear actually tests a little above average, so my hearing seems just fine. It's what I do with that audio once it gets past my ears and heads into the brian that I have problems.
It's hard to clearly indicate how bad my problems can get, since these levels are for people with sensorineural/conductive hearing loss. For someone like myself, it's a lot harder to categorize me. However, I think that I spend most of my life in the "mild" category. I think that explains why I haven't had much impact from this in my life in terms of school and work. For whatever reason, the particular characteristics of my CAPD seems to have resulted in stunted social development. I was fine academically and career-wise. I've just struggled more socially than most other folks.
I'm taking steps to untrain myself out of my habit of playing "the guessing game" with people. Although it's nice to make other people feel better by pretending to have heard them, I've decided that it is better to *actually* understand people, and as a result, ask people to repeat themselves more often. Some people appreciate it. Others find it annoying. But it is helping increase my comprehension, in any case. :)
I think the reason this whole thing has had me so freaked out and anxious is the fact that it is so important to me... I've been trying to explain my social difficulties for years. I've tried a variety of explanations, ranging from the esoteric ("I'm a special child of god/angel/whatever") to the psychological ("I probably have asperger's syndrome") to whatever. With the discovery of confirmed CAPD, I feel that I've finally found the *real* answer to the question of why I have what social problems I have.
Of course, by the same token, it's a bit weird and freaky to discover that I've been living with a mild hearing problem my whole life. All these words suddenly apply to me: I'm "hard of hearing" by some people's standards. I have a legally recognized "hearing disability." I am "hearing impaired." I have legal protections under the ADA. It's all like... Woah.
I think, after processing a lot of all of this, I feel a lot more comfortable with this new understanding of myself. I also had to have a little cry as I realized that I really couldn't hear/understand people in some situations. It was today at lunch when I couldn't understand the waitress. It was then that I realized just how little I understand sometimes, and I had to cry for what I experienced as a "loss," even though I've had these sorts of problems all my life.
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Date: 2011-12-12 03:59 pm (UTC)I see another side of it, which is challenging. I find it very emotionally upsetting to be in a situation where there's only one conversation going and where someone is holding court. Upsetting enough that after years of encountering this behavior from a few particular folks in a few particular settings, I stopped going to those places. I loathe being around folks who are holding court and who squash all other conversations. They make me furious.
I'm happier and feel much safer when there are at least two or three conversations going at one time in a social space, so I don't feel trapped listening to someone gas on and on about things I have no interest in.
This means that it's difficult for me to accomodate the way that some people compensate for their disability. I find that frustrating, but I also find that some people aren't willing to accomodate for me as much as I accomodate for them, and if that stays non reciprocal for too long, I feel used.
I am sorry if this is a hot button topic or if I upset you. I'm not thinking about your processing disorder, but about other situations I've been in where people have used their disability as a way to control dominate and script the situation. It's complex.
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Date: 2011-12-12 05:43 pm (UTC)Apparently, it's a common thing for people who have various hearing disabilities to "control, dominate, and script" conversations. I didn't even realize I was doing it until someone pointed it out to me a few weeks ago. Since I realized that, I've been trying to figure out how better to deal with it, because I know that it has the potential to upset some people.
It all comes down to context. I depend heavily on context to figure out what people are saying. If I lack context, my comprehension rate drops rapidly. When one "control, dominate, and scripts" a conversation, one is able to carefully control the context and ensure that one stays as part of the conversation.
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This is not an uncommon thing for me. Group conversations are already hard enough for me to follow, and when you add in bad acoustics and background noise, I fall out of the conversation over and over again.
When I'm in this situation, I'm faced with a choice: One choice is to stop the conversation in its tracks and ask to be brought back up to speed. "What are we talking about, now?" Unfortunately, for me to have fallen far enough out of the conversation to be able to need to do this, I'd need to have quite a bit of catchup performed. I'm going to need to have the person go back several minutes and bring me back up to speed. If you ask me, that's a form of controlling the conversation, since now I am going to be entering into a 1 on 1 dialogue with the current speaker to get all of the data that I've missed.
My other choice is to let the conversation carry on without me and let go of it. Many Deaf/HoH people talk about pulling out a book, or more modernly, a smart-phone or portable gaming device. Of course, this means that I've just withdrawn from the social space. I'll discuss the emotions of this in a bit.
(There's also the choice to take the conversation over somehow, but that's not a choice you can make about a conversation in progress so much. But that's also an option. When you are telling your stories and very strongly controlling the conversation from the get-go, it becomes easy to follow the context.)
In the past, I've made these choices subconsciously on the basis of who I'm with. Since starting to become aware of my hearing issues and my tendency to dominate conversations, I'm better able to consciously make these choices and evaluate my situation. It's not so much of an irrational choice now.
Emotions discussion continued into next comment.
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Date: 2011-12-13 04:00 am (UTC)I agree that the goal of a good gathering is to make everyone feel included. That's my primary goal when I host and I work hard to make it happen. Part of that is soliciting feedback from people who aren't having a good time to find out if there are things I can do differently to make it better next time.
I'm very surprised and disappointed to hear that things didn't go well at the birthday party. One of the hosts is very vocal about their auditory processing issues and I'd expect they'd be able to assist you or at the least would recongize the potential for problems and ask if you needed more help. Sorry it didn't work that way.
A lot more I'd like to say, but probably better in person. It's challenging to balance the needs of everyone in a conversational group. My experience with people who control, dominate, and script, has left me scarred in my own ways, and I tend to just not return to gatherings where that happens. It's how I can take care of myself.
I'd like to be able to talk about this with more people and about the differing needs and whether a given space can meet all those needs or will only be able to focus on meeting the needs of a subset (that's ok, I just like clarity about the fact that my needs will not be met in space X so I can more quickly choose to do something else with my time.) However, I find that when I bring this up, I get barked at. It's hard to discuss relative needs and not immediately drop mine because someone else is unhappy about mine.
That's my own recovery work and I'm doing it. Talking about this stuff is one of the steps. I feel like I took a big risk commenting on your post and I'm glad you were intrigued and not angry or upset at me. Thank you.
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Date: 2011-12-13 06:31 am (UTC)It actually was an enjoyable party. I just had a few moments where I was lost in the shuffle and a little isolated and alone.
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Date: 2011-12-12 06:06 pm (UTC)It *really* sucks being left out of the conversation. For me, with what is effectively a mild hearing loss, it's bad enough. It's even worse for people with more severe hearing loss. You go to social gatherings, to group conversations, to places with people that are ostensibly your friends... and you are constantly left out of the conversation.
Oh, nobody is doing this intentionally, but the effect is the same. They are leaving you out of the conversation. It's as much a feeling of social rejection as if your friends all started speaking some language you don't know and refusing to include you.
It hurts. It sucks. With my issues, I've been going to parties like these for years, and feeling very much lost, isolated, and alone, because I don't feel comfortable at those parties "taking control" of the conversation. I get bored and annoyed and stressed and just don't want to be there.
From what I've been reading about Deaf culture, this act of not including someone in the conversation is one of the rudest things you could do to a Deaf/HoH person. The rudest of all of these sorts of things is the phrase "nevermind." Just do a search for "deaf nevermind" and see what you get. This is considered seriously rude and aggravating.
So on the one side, you've got someone you've essentially relegated to the status of social pariah. On the other side you've got people that feel trapped in social space or the myriad of other issues around this.
There's a reason why many Deaf/HoH people will pull out a book or otherwise actively withdraw from a social space they're not being included in. If you're not going to put the effort in to include me, then why should I bother putting the effort in to participate in your space?
So, as you say, it's a complex situation. Personally, I think the right answer is that hearing people need to be more accommodating of those that are Deaf/HoH. I'm thinking that "dominating and controlling" the conversation is not the best way to handle this, either. Instead, it has to be a give and take sort of situation I'm starting to learn how to handle this, now that I actually understand what's happening, instead of just subconsciously optimizing my own feelings.
Based on a few interactions so far, I think I need to set better expectations for people. I need to tell people that I have a hearing problem and that if they want to include me in the conversation, it is important for them to check in with me from time to time and keep an eye on my inclusion in the conversation. If I start to withdraw or look bored or whatever, it might mean that the conversation is going too fast, or something happened and I lost the thread of it, and now I can't understand it. If the hearing people come that far with it, then if I start to fall behind, I can say, "Hey, I'm losing track of the conversation, would you mind bringing me up to speed?" or whatever, and, knowing that I just need a quick refresher, they could give me a quick summary or whatever. Just enough to get me back in the conversation.
Or something like that. Basically, we need to build a method by which both of us can make sure everyone gets included, and not put all of the burden of communication on the person with the hearing disability.
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Date: 2011-12-12 06:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-12 06:20 pm (UTC)Additionally, when someone I know can communicate with ASL, we can use ASL to help compensate for conversations and situations where my ability to process audio is degraded. Frankly, at least so far, I find ASL to be an incredibly delightful and stress-free way of communicating. It's so different from speech, which I find to be difficult and stressful by comparison.
It remains to be seen whether or not this trend will continue as my ASL receptive abilities improve and I sign with more fluent/fast signers. Right now, ASL can be stressful when I encounter people that sign faster than I can read, or people that use vocabulary I don't know. But because I believe I can overcome this, the stress registered more as challenge, not helpless flailing stress. If I reach a plateau where I don't feel I can improve any more, I may find that the stress will worsen.
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Date: 2011-12-17 01:36 pm (UTC)I've had "hearing" issues for as long as I can remember, but never got it checked out because I could hear with my ear fine, it's just that lots of times I would miss what people were saying. Like, I could hear sounds, but putting them into words fails a lot of the time. And it's often dependent on background noise, group conversations (what you said about darting back and forth, I have to do that at every lab meeting or I have no idea what's going on), how many other people are talking, etc. I think I mentioned this before, but I spent the last few years working on being able to read lips which, while not perfect, has helped quite a bit. At least to the point where I've started letting people know that if I can't see their mouth, then most likely I can't hear them.
I think reading lips has also given me a reputation at the lab for "paying attention" which is bizarre to me. I guess people aren't used to the person they're talking to always looking at them? Because, really, I often feel like I'm a few steps behind in any conversation. To make up for it, I've gotten into the habit of trying to guess what people are going to say before they say it just so I can keep up. Although, I've found that if I blurt out what I think they're going to say, lots of people find it rude and so one of my more recent struggles has been trying to keep the guessing in my head.
Anyway, I'm fascinated that there's a test for something like that, especially because as far as I can tell (mostly from testing myself with a frequency generator), my hearing seems fine, but my comprehension of what I hear less so. I just didn't really know that you could test for that.
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Date: 2011-12-17 09:40 pm (UTC)The first step is to rule out problems with your ears by getting a simple audiogram. From there, you'll want to find an audiologist that specializes in hearing problems beyond the ear, up in the brain. You could email my audiologist and ask her if there are any specialists out in your area that deal with CAPD. Here's her website: http://www.judithpaton.com/
The testing involved various ways of exercising my brain. Speech in noise was the big one, where she played noise and speech of equal volumes and asked me to repeat the words that were said. Another test played the high frequencies of a word in one ear, but the low frequencies in another. Another test played a sentence in each ear at the same time. Each test has been shown to exercise very specific parts of the brain's function, and from this, they can draw a map of your hearing problems.
As for how people react to you doing a better job of communicating, honestly, from what I've been reading and experiencing, the best thing to do is be up front about it. Tell people that you're "hard of hearing" and ask them to repeat themselves or write it down. You need to be strong and confident about asking for your needs to be met. Otherwise, people get annoyed and stuff.
good luck, hon :)